Cllr.Popple has today decided not to pursue any new car parking permits for this coming financial year (2010/11), but instead to propose an increase in charges by approximately 2% on all existing harbour car parking permit fees (ie inflationary only, rounded up to nearest practicable amount).
A general review of car parking and associated charges at the harbours has been deferred and will not be pursued this year but it will most likely be undertaken for the next financial year (2011/12) having regards to the fact that a pilot Board will by then be in place at Whitby Harbour and hence, by way of parity, should also include Scarborough and Filey Coble Landing. For the most part existing berthing charges do not currently include for an automatic right to park on harbour lands free of charge.
Each objection which has been received by e-mail will be responded to individually, but I would appreciate it if you could circulate this e-mail to your members.
February 18, 2010
February 17, 2010
Whitby Marina Users Car Park
SBC are proposing parking fees for marina berth holders. Please have a look at the document below ‘Parking – Harbour Permits’, see Marina Users Parking
Basically, SBC wish to charge berth holders £180 to park their car on the Marina car park. WYC have mounted an official objection to the proposal. The Harbour Department has requested anybody who has an individual objection to the proposal to email the Harbour Office by 4pm on Thursday 18th February 2010.
Lesley.Dale@scarborough.gov.uk
I would be obliged if you would copy your objection to Derek Wright (WYC WHUG Rep) so that the Club can obtain the strength of feeling against this proposal.
derek.wright3@tesco.net
Whitby Marina Users Car Park
In 2009/10 249 permits were issued free of charge to berth holders.
The current parking orders provide for the sale of a permit for this area at a charge of £177.02 exc. VAT (£208 inc. VAT).
In addition there is a provision for the sale of a “Crew Permit”, valid April – October, at a charge of £96 inc. VAT. In 2009/10 only 8 Crew Permits were sold.
The public car park, Marina Back, generates income of £1,222 per space per annum.
Either this charge, £208 plus inflation @ 2%, needs to be made or a new lower scale of charges needs to be brought in with a staged increase to bring it in line with individual car parks.
Proposal - delete the “Crew Permit” and introduce a single permit at a charge of £180 exc. VAT staggered over 2 years.
Suggested charges (excluding VAT) phased over a 2 year period:
2010/11 2011/12
Permit - All Days
£90 £180
NB. The equivalent charge applied for berth holders parking on the East Pier at Scarborough is £60 but this is restricted to week ends only. Pro rata the East Pier charge equates to £210 p.a.
In addition to the sale of annual permits there is a requirement for daily parking on the Marina for which the following charges are proposed:
Marina Users Daily £6 inc. VAT
And by prior arrangement with the Harbour Master:
Marina Boat Trailer Daily £7 inc. VAT
Marina Goods Trailer Daily £7 inc. VAT
Eskside Wharf
Harbour Parking Permits – Proposed Charges 2010/11
West Pier Users Permit – limited to 75
These permits are sold to users of the Pier and are currently available as follows:
Cars (Mon-Fri) £69 exc VAT ( £81 inc VAT)
Cars (All days) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (Mon-Fri) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (All days) £201 exc VAT ( £236 inc VAT)
For pricing comparisons:
West Pier public Pay & Display Car Park generates an average income per space of £2,362 per annum.
Single Car Park Permits:
Albion Road - £294 inc. VAT per annum
Westwood - £374 inc. VAT per annum
The permit for West Pier needs to reflect the income per space or indeed be similar to other permits for individual car parks.
Suggested charge (excluding VAT) staggered over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
West Pier – Other User (Non Harbour)
Currently £355 exc VAT ( £417 inc VAT)
These prices are in line with other charges for individual car parks (i.e. Westwood) so would suggest inflation of 2.5% and rounded up to nearest pound
Suggested charge - £ 364 exc. VAT (£427.70 inc VAT)
East Pier
Currently 20 permits issued at £41 excluding VAT (£48 inc VAT)
The nearest comparison is Quay Street, a public pay & display car park, where income per space equates to £2,289 per annum.
These permits need to increase and should be more reflective of a permit for an individual car park such as Westwood or Albion Road.
Suggested charges (excluding VAT) phased over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
It should be noted that the Yacht Club have an annual lease for Week End Parking Rights on the East Pier at a cost of £3,600p.a. There is space for approximately sixty vehicles which equates to £60 per space.
Marine Drive Trailer Park
The current Parking Order provides for the sale of permits on here at a cost of £41 excluding VAT (£48.18 inc VAT)
Whilst this area is adjacent to a prime site, the Marine Drive Pay & Display public car park, where income per space equates to £842 per annum, the area is at risk from falling debris from the adjacent cliff hence the low level of charge.
Suggested charge: £50 exc. VAT.
It should be noted that under the terms of their lease for the use of the Toll House the Angling Club are entitled to 25 free permits for this area.
Fish Quay Car Park
Issued for Fishing Industry currently £185 inc. VAT.
I would suggest inflation of 2.5% and rounded to the nearest pound
Suggested charge: £161 exc. VAT (£189.18 inc. VAT)
Endeavour Wharf
There is a need to introduce a permit for this area for Harbour Users (Operational Permits). However due to operational needs this area is not always available for parking and permits should only be issued at the discretion of the Harbour Master. It would be reasonable to apply charges in line with those at the West Pier in Scarborough.
For reference the income per space for the Endeavour Wharf equates to £629 per annum.
Suggested charge (excluding VAT) staggered over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
Harbour Parking Permits – Proposed Charges 2010/11
West Pier Users Permit – limited to 75
These permits are sold to users of the Pier and are currently available as follows:
Cars (Mon-Fri) £69 exc VAT ( £81 inc VAT)
Cars (All days) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (Mon-Fri) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (All days) £201 exc VAT ( £236 inc VAT)
For pricing comparisons:
West Pier public Pay & Display Car Park generates an average income per space of £2,362 per annum.
Single Car Park Permits:
Albion Road - £294 inc. VAT per annum
Westwood - £374 inc. VAT per annum
The permit for West Pier needs to reflect the income per space or indeed be similar to other permits for individual car parks.
Suggested charge (excluding VAT) staggered over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
West Pier – Other User (Non Harbour)
Currently £355 exc VAT ( £417 inc VAT)
These prices are in line with other charges for individual car parks (i.e. Westwood) so would suggest inflation of 2.5% and rounded up to nearest pound
Suggested charge - £ 364 exc. VAT (£427.70 inc VAT)
East Pier
Currently 20 permits issued at £41 excluding VAT (£48 inc VAT)
The nearest comparison is Quay Street, a public pay & display car park, where income per space equates to £2,289 per annum.
These permits need to increase and should be more reflective of a permit for an individual car park such as Westwood or Albion Road.
Suggested charges (excluding VAT) phased over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
It should be noted that the Yacht Club have an annual lease for Week End Parking Rights on the East Pier at a cost of £3,600p.a. There is space for approximately sixty vehicles which equates to £60 per space.
Basically, SBC wish to charge berth holders £180 to park their car on the Marina car park. WYC have mounted an official objection to the proposal. The Harbour Department has requested anybody who has an individual objection to the proposal to email the Harbour Office by 4pm on Thursday 18th February 2010.
Lesley.Dale@scarborough.gov.uk
I would be obliged if you would copy your objection to Derek Wright (WYC WHUG Rep) so that the Club can obtain the strength of feeling against this proposal.
derek.wright3@tesco.net
Whitby Marina Users Car Park
In 2009/10 249 permits were issued free of charge to berth holders.
The current parking orders provide for the sale of a permit for this area at a charge of £177.02 exc. VAT (£208 inc. VAT).
In addition there is a provision for the sale of a “Crew Permit”, valid April – October, at a charge of £96 inc. VAT. In 2009/10 only 8 Crew Permits were sold.
The public car park, Marina Back, generates income of £1,222 per space per annum.
Either this charge, £208 plus inflation @ 2%, needs to be made or a new lower scale of charges needs to be brought in with a staged increase to bring it in line with individual car parks.
Proposal - delete the “Crew Permit” and introduce a single permit at a charge of £180 exc. VAT staggered over 2 years.
Suggested charges (excluding VAT) phased over a 2 year period:
2010/11 2011/12
Permit - All Days
£90 £180
NB. The equivalent charge applied for berth holders parking on the East Pier at Scarborough is £60 but this is restricted to week ends only. Pro rata the East Pier charge equates to £210 p.a.
In addition to the sale of annual permits there is a requirement for daily parking on the Marina for which the following charges are proposed:
Marina Users Daily £6 inc. VAT
And by prior arrangement with the Harbour Master:
Marina Boat Trailer Daily £7 inc. VAT
Marina Goods Trailer Daily £7 inc. VAT
Eskside Wharf
Harbour Parking Permits – Proposed Charges 2010/11
West Pier Users Permit – limited to 75
These permits are sold to users of the Pier and are currently available as follows:
Cars (Mon-Fri) £69 exc VAT ( £81 inc VAT)
Cars (All days) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (Mon-Fri) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (All days) £201 exc VAT ( £236 inc VAT)
For pricing comparisons:
West Pier public Pay & Display Car Park generates an average income per space of £2,362 per annum.
Single Car Park Permits:
Albion Road - £294 inc. VAT per annum
Westwood - £374 inc. VAT per annum
The permit for West Pier needs to reflect the income per space or indeed be similar to other permits for individual car parks.
Suggested charge (excluding VAT) staggered over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
West Pier – Other User (Non Harbour)
Currently £355 exc VAT ( £417 inc VAT)
These prices are in line with other charges for individual car parks (i.e. Westwood) so would suggest inflation of 2.5% and rounded up to nearest pound
Suggested charge - £ 364 exc. VAT (£427.70 inc VAT)
East Pier
Currently 20 permits issued at £41 excluding VAT (£48 inc VAT)
The nearest comparison is Quay Street, a public pay & display car park, where income per space equates to £2,289 per annum.
These permits need to increase and should be more reflective of a permit for an individual car park such as Westwood or Albion Road.
Suggested charges (excluding VAT) phased over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
It should be noted that the Yacht Club have an annual lease for Week End Parking Rights on the East Pier at a cost of £3,600p.a. There is space for approximately sixty vehicles which equates to £60 per space.
Marine Drive Trailer Park
The current Parking Order provides for the sale of permits on here at a cost of £41 excluding VAT (£48.18 inc VAT)
Whilst this area is adjacent to a prime site, the Marine Drive Pay & Display public car park, where income per space equates to £842 per annum, the area is at risk from falling debris from the adjacent cliff hence the low level of charge.
Suggested charge: £50 exc. VAT.
It should be noted that under the terms of their lease for the use of the Toll House the Angling Club are entitled to 25 free permits for this area.
Fish Quay Car Park
Issued for Fishing Industry currently £185 inc. VAT.
I would suggest inflation of 2.5% and rounded to the nearest pound
Suggested charge: £161 exc. VAT (£189.18 inc. VAT)
Endeavour Wharf
There is a need to introduce a permit for this area for Harbour Users (Operational Permits). However due to operational needs this area is not always available for parking and permits should only be issued at the discretion of the Harbour Master. It would be reasonable to apply charges in line with those at the West Pier in Scarborough.
For reference the income per space for the Endeavour Wharf equates to £629 per annum.
Suggested charge (excluding VAT) staggered over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
Harbour Parking Permits – Proposed Charges 2010/11
West Pier Users Permit – limited to 75
These permits are sold to users of the Pier and are currently available as follows:
Cars (Mon-Fri) £69 exc VAT ( £81 inc VAT)
Cars (All days) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (Mon-Fri) £134 exc VAT ( £157 inc VAT)
HGV (All days) £201 exc VAT ( £236 inc VAT)
For pricing comparisons:
West Pier public Pay & Display Car Park generates an average income per space of £2,362 per annum.
Single Car Park Permits:
Albion Road - £294 inc. VAT per annum
Westwood - £374 inc. VAT per annum
The permit for West Pier needs to reflect the income per space or indeed be similar to other permits for individual car parks.
Suggested charge (excluding VAT) staggered over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
West Pier – Other User (Non Harbour)
Currently £355 exc VAT ( £417 inc VAT)
These prices are in line with other charges for individual car parks (i.e. Westwood) so would suggest inflation of 2.5% and rounded up to nearest pound
Suggested charge - £ 364 exc. VAT (£427.70 inc VAT)
East Pier
Currently 20 permits issued at £41 excluding VAT (£48 inc VAT)
The nearest comparison is Quay Street, a public pay & display car park, where income per space equates to £2,289 per annum.
These permits need to increase and should be more reflective of a permit for an individual car park such as Westwood or Albion Road.
Suggested charges (excluding VAT) phased over a 3 year period:
2010/11 2011/12 2012/13
Cars – ALL DAYS
£170 £215 £260
HGV – All Days £255 £300 £340
It should be noted that the Yacht Club have an annual lease for Week End Parking Rights on the East Pier at a cost of £3,600p.a. There is space for approximately sixty vehicles which equates to £60 per space.
February 12, 2010
Marina Improvements Delay
11 February 2010
Dear Focus Group Member
Whitby Marina: Project progress update
I am writing on behalf of Scarborough Borough Council to inform you that completion of the New Marina Building at Langborne Road, Whitby is likely to be delayed due to the severe weather conditions.
Despite the best efforts of the contractor (KFB Scarborough) and the project management team, works to the building have been slowed down due to the poor weather.
As I hope you will appreciate snow, high winds and sub zero temperatures have meant that at times work on the building has had to come to a complete stop until working conditions became safer and more favourable. This situation is not unique to this project and unfortunately this is a picture that we have seen repeated across the country with other construction projects.
The contractor has done all in his power to try and bring the building back on schedule, even calling in staff over the Christmas period to try and catch up some lost time. However the inclement weather, high winds and low temperatures mean that mortar and concrete fails to set, working becomes dangerous and welfare conditions for site staff become difficult.
We will be doing all we can to catch up on this lost time and with some luck will have a more favourable weather here on in. We will be undertaking additional measures to reduce any inconvenience this delay may cause and plan to provide alternative temporary toilet facilities should the project run into the boating season.
We will continue to communicate both through the Harbour User Group, the Harbour Office and directly to yourselves to keep you appraised of the situation.
Despite this delay the project remains within budget and we remain committed to ensuring that the building is completed to the highest possible standard to help enhance Whitby’s reputation as one of the best places to live and visit in the Country.
May I offer my apologies in advance for any inconvenience this delay may cause.
Yours sincerely
Alex Richards
Project Manager, Technical Services
Dear Focus Group Member
Whitby Marina: Project progress update
I am writing on behalf of Scarborough Borough Council to inform you that completion of the New Marina Building at Langborne Road, Whitby is likely to be delayed due to the severe weather conditions.
Despite the best efforts of the contractor (KFB Scarborough) and the project management team, works to the building have been slowed down due to the poor weather.
As I hope you will appreciate snow, high winds and sub zero temperatures have meant that at times work on the building has had to come to a complete stop until working conditions became safer and more favourable. This situation is not unique to this project and unfortunately this is a picture that we have seen repeated across the country with other construction projects.
The contractor has done all in his power to try and bring the building back on schedule, even calling in staff over the Christmas period to try and catch up some lost time. However the inclement weather, high winds and low temperatures mean that mortar and concrete fails to set, working becomes dangerous and welfare conditions for site staff become difficult.
We will be doing all we can to catch up on this lost time and with some luck will have a more favourable weather here on in. We will be undertaking additional measures to reduce any inconvenience this delay may cause and plan to provide alternative temporary toilet facilities should the project run into the boating season.
We will continue to communicate both through the Harbour User Group, the Harbour Office and directly to yourselves to keep you appraised of the situation.
Despite this delay the project remains within budget and we remain committed to ensuring that the building is completed to the highest possible standard to help enhance Whitby’s reputation as one of the best places to live and visit in the Country.
May I offer my apologies in advance for any inconvenience this delay may cause.
Yours sincerely
Alex Richards
Project Manager, Technical Services
February 10, 2010
Marina Parking - Harbour Permits
Parking - Harbour Permits
Reference proposals sent to HUG members Friday 5th Feb.
As the WYC representative I offer the following comments but stress these are (unless I hear differently) my personal comments only as the time scale asked for a reply does not allow me to communicate fully with WYC members.
I cannot comment either way concerning the proposals for charges on areas in the document except for the Marina Users Car Park.
Marina Users Car Park.
I have been a user of this car park for the past 30 years having had a berth on the Marina since it was first opened for moorings.
As probably one of the longest standing berth holders on the Marina with a longer memory than the majority, if not all, of the current officers and elected officials of SBC I have always been lead to understand that the car park permits were included in the berthing dues for berth holders. I consider the current berth holders all hold this same understanding.
I assume therefore if the parking permits are now to be charged for separately and not included in the berthing fees there would be a respective discount shown on the berthing charges for the 2010 season and be perpetuated over future years, but as the berthing charges for 2010 have not yet been announced then it is impossible to comment further.
With respect to the figures quoted in the proposal for the Marina parking the free permits issued last year was stated at 249, if these permits are to be charged then over the 2 year phasing period quoted in the proposals the charges could create an additional income into the marina account in excess of £39,000 per annum. I would ask what could the berth holders expect to see in Marina improvements for this increased revenue or would it be a second discount on the berthing dues for 2010 and subsequent years.
A final point would the berth holders in Whitby be offered a similar alternative charge as at Scarborough for a weekend only permit, and what provisions are planned on the car park area for security and reserved places for permit holders to guarantee parking spaces on arrival, especially for weekend parking?
Yours sincerely
D.Wright
WYC HUG representative
Your comments are urgently requested and to be sent direct to the Harbour Master at Whitby Harbour Office.
Reference proposals sent to HUG members Friday 5th Feb.
As the WYC representative I offer the following comments but stress these are (unless I hear differently) my personal comments only as the time scale asked for a reply does not allow me to communicate fully with WYC members.
I cannot comment either way concerning the proposals for charges on areas in the document except for the Marina Users Car Park.
Marina Users Car Park.
I have been a user of this car park for the past 30 years having had a berth on the Marina since it was first opened for moorings.
As probably one of the longest standing berth holders on the Marina with a longer memory than the majority, if not all, of the current officers and elected officials of SBC I have always been lead to understand that the car park permits were included in the berthing dues for berth holders. I consider the current berth holders all hold this same understanding.
I assume therefore if the parking permits are now to be charged for separately and not included in the berthing fees there would be a respective discount shown on the berthing charges for the 2010 season and be perpetuated over future years, but as the berthing charges for 2010 have not yet been announced then it is impossible to comment further.
With respect to the figures quoted in the proposal for the Marina parking the free permits issued last year was stated at 249, if these permits are to be charged then over the 2 year phasing period quoted in the proposals the charges could create an additional income into the marina account in excess of £39,000 per annum. I would ask what could the berth holders expect to see in Marina improvements for this increased revenue or would it be a second discount on the berthing dues for 2010 and subsequent years.
A final point would the berth holders in Whitby be offered a similar alternative charge as at Scarborough for a weekend only permit, and what provisions are planned on the car park area for security and reserved places for permit holders to guarantee parking spaces on arrival, especially for weekend parking?
Yours sincerely
D.Wright
WYC HUG representative
Your comments are urgently requested and to be sent direct to the Harbour Master at Whitby Harbour Office.
February 07, 2010
Racing Rules Presentation
Preliminary notice of a Racing Rules Presentation by the RYA Regional Rules Adviser in the Yacht Club at 1945hrs Saturday 20th March 2010 to which all Club members are invited to.
It would be appreciated if members would notify Ian Paton (Rear Commodore Racing) via email to scm.design@virgin.net if they intend to attend the presentation.
It would be appreciated if members would notify Ian Paton (Rear Commodore Racing) via email to scm.design@virgin.net if they intend to attend the presentation.
February 05, 2010
Valentines Day
The advertised Valentines Night social at the Club on Saturday 13th has been cancelled due to ongoing remedial work